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, a science writer. c-span: was her name heineman? >> guest: christine russell. she kept her maiden name. my dad, then heineman started out in the public sector and ended his career working for generally let trick and now teaches in boston. c-span: this is the well-known then heineman. was this other also well-known? explain not. this is the first deadline this review, but how do they fit into the past? >> guest: i had a very -- my parents and my grandmother are amazing people and i feel very lucky. c-span: what did they do? >> guest: my grandfather was a self-made man. his father actually killed himself in 1929 after the stock rocket crash and was left alone to fend for his family. went to school, claimed his plan to law school and started out as a lawyer and started running northwest railroad and a number of other businesses in chicago. with very specific advisor to president johnson and i think my dad and i inherited a lot of their social believes and i carry a lot of that into the filmmaking i do for sure. c-span: by the decided dartmouth to study history? >> guest: i didn't know what el
madison called at the convention, saying, gentlemen, we are engaged in the new science of government. nobody had tried that before. people ought to appreciate that. it had never happened before, and it will probably never happen again that a system of government will be devised by a seminar. i mean, you know, three month long seminar compost of the political leaders of the entire country. that will not happen again, and you can't appreciate that unless you seep yourself in the times including reading the federalist papers. c-span: in this book, at the beginning, you list a bunch of people that you thank. >> guest: yeah. c-span: we counted -- >> guest: probably missed some too. c-span: twenty-three of your former clerks. we had a former clerk of yours here several months ago, and i want to run this little thing and get your reaction to it. >> guest: all right. >> he and i had an intense argument of a statutory interpretation case, and he took me out and says, you have to talk to my clerks now, and i did. they were conservative clerks, marking me as a liberal, and i was the christian,
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